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		<title>By: Knut</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2015 19:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This semantic issue has been the source for some criticism against Coursera and with own experiences in course forums, I really see why. Many students do not see that these certificates (mostly the Statements of Accomplishment) are of no real worth, while it is difficult for worldwide online courses to provide something more resembling real university credit. In Europe there are also some courses on Iversity.org that offer &lt;a href=&quot;https://iversity.org/blog/ects-credits-moocs-iversity/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;proctored exams with real ECTS-points&lt;/a&gt;, but this model is still experimental as far as I can see and needs much more cooperation between the institutions and the mooc-site than is needed for the usual mooc. The verified certificates do not go this far, but the try to account for the very basic problem of online accomplishments: verifying the identity of the person who did the coursework. So while others try to move the moocs in the direction of the universities by cooperation for on site exams, Coursera seems to make the bolder move into a future where mooc-credit can be worthwile in itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This semantic issue has been the source for some criticism against Coursera and with own experiences in course forums, I really see why. Many students do not see that these certificates (mostly the Statements of Accomplishment) are of no real worth, while it is difficult for worldwide online courses to provide something more resembling real university credit. In Europe there are also some courses on Iversity.org that offer <a href="https://iversity.org/blog/ects-credits-moocs-iversity/" rel="nofollow">proctored exams with real ECTS-points</a>, but this model is still experimental as far as I can see and needs much more cooperation between the institutions and the mooc-site than is needed for the usual mooc. The verified certificates do not go this far, but the try to account for the very basic problem of online accomplishments: verifying the identity of the person who did the coursework. So while others try to move the moocs in the direction of the universities by cooperation for on site exams, Coursera seems to make the bolder move into a future where mooc-credit can be worthwile in itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2015 18:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So your reasoning is: if it is free you have no right to criticise? If so, I think you are really wrong, you too probably, if you think about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So your reasoning is: if it is free you have no right to criticise? If so, I think you are really wrong, you too probably, if you think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathryn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2015 18:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Veblen good is a good for which demand increases as the price increases. The high price makes it a status symbol. There&#039;s no requirement that the status or luxury good doesn&#039;t confer greater benefits. But one doesn&#039;t always get a better education with a higher tuition.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Mr. Trachtenberg [former president of GWU] convinced people that George Washington was worth a lot more money by charging a lot more money. Unlike most college presidents, he was surprisingly candid about his strategy. College is like vodka, he liked to explain. Vodka is by definition a flavorless beverage. It all tastes the same. But people will spend $30 for a bottle of Absolut because of the brand. A Timex watch costs $20, a Rolex $10,000. They both tell the same time.—&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/education/edlife/how-to-raise-a-universitys-profile-pricing-and-packaging.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New York Times&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

GWU didn&#039;t improve its offerings. They were already good. All it did was hike the tuition—and demand for its education soared.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Veblen good is a good for which demand increases as the price increases. The high price makes it a status symbol. There&#8217;s no requirement that the status or luxury good doesn&#8217;t confer greater benefits. But one doesn&#8217;t always get a better education with a higher tuition.</p>
<blockquote><p>Mr. Trachtenberg [former president of GWU] convinced people that George Washington was worth a lot more money by charging a lot more money. Unlike most college presidents, he was surprisingly candid about his strategy. College is like vodka, he liked to explain. Vodka is by definition a flavorless beverage. It all tastes the same. But people will spend $30 for a bottle of Absolut because of the brand. A Timex watch costs $20, a Rolex $10,000. They both tell the same time.—<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/education/edlife/how-to-raise-a-universitys-profile-pricing-and-packaging.html" rel="nofollow">New York Times</a></p></blockquote>
<p>GWU didn&#8217;t improve its offerings. They were already good. All it did was hike the tuition—and demand for its education soared.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathryn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2015 18:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm ... I don&#039;t think there was anything in my article that said I wouldn&#039;t be happy to pay for certification. Thanks for your perspective!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm &#8230; I don&#8217;t think there was anything in my article that said I wouldn&#8217;t be happy to pay for certification. Thanks for your perspective!</p>
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		<title>By: Marius Andreiana</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marius Andreiana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2015 17:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m grateful for the free, high-quality content. You should be happy to pay for a certification.

&gt;Let’s have the discussion that Coursera should have started long ago.
Crap. How about YOU putting together a free high-quality class, without charging anything, and then start asking for stuff?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m grateful for the free, high-quality content. You should be happy to pay for a certification.</p>
<p>&gt;Let’s have the discussion that Coursera should have started long ago.<br />
Crap. How about YOU putting together a free high-quality class, without charging anything, and then start asking for stuff?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2015 17:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks! I didn&#039;t know about that. It will be interesting to see if Coursera adds the LinkedIn button back. If they don&#039;t, that&#039;s okay, but I hope they&#039;ll inform students/learners about their reasoning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! I didn&#8217;t know about that. It will be interesting to see if Coursera adds the LinkedIn button back. If they don&#8217;t, that&#8217;s okay, but I hope they&#8217;ll inform students/learners about their reasoning.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathryn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2015 17:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your thoughtful comments!

There&#039;s a semantic issue with the word &quot;certificate&quot; here. Coursera uses certificate to mean the PDF presented to a learner with a verified identity at the end of a course. But that&#039;s a narrow use. The common definition of certificate would just mean a piece of paper (or other document) attesting to an accomplishment or qualification. The Statement of Accomplishment meets that common definition. I was using the common definition in my blog entry, but I can see how that can be confusing and muddle up  the dialogue! 

Unfortunatly, certificates aren&#039;t technically worth anything even with identity verification in most cases. A few institutions offer CEU credit for select courses taken under a verified identity, but in all those cases, the student must pay an extra few hundred dollars to get the CEU credit—that&#039;s above Coursera&#039;s fee for identity verification. I know of no institutions that offer undergraduate or graduate credit for Coursera courses, although &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.edx.org/gfa&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arizona State and EdX are launching a credit program in the fall&lt;/a&gt;. And given that classes vary so widely in quality and depth—from the equivalent of half-day professional seminars to the equivalent of graduate-level courses—the value that any certificate (verified or otherwise) would have to a prospective employer is questionable. Taking and completing the courses may show a prospective employer or school that you&#039;re pro-active and interested in learning, but that&#039;s about it. And in that sense, a Statement of Accomplishment and a Verified Certificate are of about equal value from my perspective.

I think a better model for verification is encouraging students/learners to take standardized tests that are recognized by the educational systems of their countries—for example, &lt;a href=&quot;https://apstudent.collegeboard.org/home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Advanced Placement exams&lt;/a&gt; in the United States. Another option is proctored exams that have been approved by accredited universities or accrediting organizations. Saylor.org employs the latter model for several of its courses, which you can read about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.saylor.org/pathways/earn-college-credit/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughtful comments!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a semantic issue with the word &#8220;certificate&#8221; here. Coursera uses certificate to mean the PDF presented to a learner with a verified identity at the end of a course. But that&#8217;s a narrow use. The common definition of certificate would just mean a piece of paper (or other document) attesting to an accomplishment or qualification. The Statement of Accomplishment meets that common definition. I was using the common definition in my blog entry, but I can see how that can be confusing and muddle up  the dialogue! </p>
<p>Unfortunatly, certificates aren&#8217;t technically worth anything even with identity verification in most cases. A few institutions offer CEU credit for select courses taken under a verified identity, but in all those cases, the student must pay an extra few hundred dollars to get the CEU credit—that&#8217;s above Coursera&#8217;s fee for identity verification. I know of no institutions that offer undergraduate or graduate credit for Coursera courses, although <a href="https://www.edx.org/gfa" rel="nofollow">Arizona State and EdX are launching a credit program in the fall</a>. And given that classes vary so widely in quality and depth—from the equivalent of half-day professional seminars to the equivalent of graduate-level courses—the value that any certificate (verified or otherwise) would have to a prospective employer is questionable. Taking and completing the courses may show a prospective employer or school that you&#8217;re pro-active and interested in learning, but that&#8217;s about it. And in that sense, a Statement of Accomplishment and a Verified Certificate are of about equal value from my perspective.</p>
<p>I think a better model for verification is encouraging students/learners to take standardized tests that are recognized by the educational systems of their countries—for example, <a href="https://apstudent.collegeboard.org/home" rel="nofollow">Advanced Placement exams</a> in the United States. Another option is proctored exams that have been approved by accredited universities or accrediting organizations. Saylor.org employs the latter model for several of its courses, which you can read about <a href="http://www.saylor.org/pathways/earn-college-credit/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: John Haugeland</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Haugeland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2015 17:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um, no.  Veblen goods are things you pay for that you don&#039;t need whose purpose is to show off one&#039;s wealth, like Rolex watches.  A Rolex does not do a significantly better job than a $10 quartz watch.  By definition Veblen goods are voluntarily purchased with no functionality upside.

Higher priced education is not a Veblen good.  One gets a meaningfully better education, more networking, and more opportunity as a result.  Moreover, most people aren&#039;t allowed to buy them.  You can&#039;t go to Stanford this year, or any year, whether you have the money or not.

One of the reasons one goes to Harvard, and not community college, is so that one doesn&#039;t end up making screamingly obvious mistakes like this when trying to engage in commentary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, no.  Veblen goods are things you pay for that you don&#8217;t need whose purpose is to show off one&#8217;s wealth, like Rolex watches.  A Rolex does not do a significantly better job than a $10 quartz watch.  By definition Veblen goods are voluntarily purchased with no functionality upside.</p>
<p>Higher priced education is not a Veblen good.  One gets a meaningfully better education, more networking, and more opportunity as a result.  Moreover, most people aren&#8217;t allowed to buy them.  You can&#8217;t go to Stanford this year, or any year, whether you have the money or not.</p>
<p>One of the reasons one goes to Harvard, and not community college, is so that one doesn&#8217;t end up making screamingly obvious mistakes like this when trying to engage in commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2015 17:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes. It&#039;s interesting how education&#039;s pricing model is the same as that used for luxury goods, isn&#039;t it?

I wonder if that&#039;s one of the ideas behind the change, although my guess is that it&#039;s for more practical financial reasons. I suppose I won&#039;t know until Coursera speaks up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. It&#8217;s interesting how education&#8217;s pricing model is the same as that used for luxury goods, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>I wonder if that&#8217;s one of the ideas behind the change, although my guess is that it&#8217;s for more practical financial reasons. I suppose I won&#8217;t know until Coursera speaks up.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathryn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2015 17:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think $49 is a great deal for Intro to Genetics and Evolution. But that&#039;s not the issue. The issue is that Coursera changed its model without telling students (or &quot;learners,&quot; as Coursera calls them) about the change. And the technological aspects of the change make the courses inaccessible to some students who could access them before—even among students who are willing and have the means to pay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think $49 is a great deal for Intro to Genetics and Evolution. But that&#8217;s not the issue. The issue is that Coursera changed its model without telling students (or &#8220;learners,&#8221; as Coursera calls them) about the change. And the technological aspects of the change make the courses inaccessible to some students who could access them before—even among students who are willing and have the means to pay.</p>
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